Advice for violent crowds

topic posted Sat, February 16, 2008 - 8:54 AM by  torroid
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I took pictures at (in) the SF pillow fight. Any advice for being a photographer in violent crowds (because it was too much fun to not do again)?
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torroid
SF Bay Area
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  • Re: Advice for violent crowds

    Sat, February 16, 2008 - 9:47 PM
    Use a cheap camera?
    The only violent crowd I've shot in were a few protests. And knowing how Denver cops work, as soon as it got busy, I did a fade. I guess you could try to stay on the perimeter, but i expect you won't get the shots you want. Beyond using a cheap camera, they make an armor for cameras, www.cameraarmor.us/, and they sell a skin that goes over your camera. It's touted as an elastomeric silicon armor that protects your camera from shock, dirt and scratches. This mounts onto your camera and still lets you use all the controls. This might be the ticket for you...
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    Re: Advice for violent crowds

    Mon, February 18, 2008 - 11:25 PM
    Appropriately colored clothing, high-powered telephoto lenses, lock-picking skills for roof-top access and a partner with a digital scanner to help watch your back.
    • Re: Advice for violent crowds

      Sat, March 1, 2008 - 10:05 AM
      A motorcycle crash helmet.. not full face!.. with 'PRESS' painted accross the back.
      A high vis jacket, again with 'PRESS' painted accross the back..

      at least they will then know you are there to take pics and not participate.
      • Re: Advice for violent crowds

        Sat, March 1, 2008 - 10:46 AM
        Being identified as press can make you a target. There have been documented instances of police going after camera holders more than they go after the crowd around them. Thing is, if they're there to bust heads, they don't want to do it on the 6 o'clock news. So if you can stop the cameras before you start headbusting...
        • Re: Advice for violent crowds

          Sat, March 1, 2008 - 12:32 PM
          Scott, that is not a good enough reason to not photograph, it par for the course, Robert Capa Indochina war.

          en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Capa
          • Re: Advice for violent crowds

            Sun, March 2, 2008 - 2:14 AM
            I don't stop shooting, I just don't splash Press on myself. I see no need to make myself stand out to get the job done. My post was in reference to a helmet and stenciled vest. I want to be able to move faster than that type of equipment allows me to.
            In the ten year period from 1988 to 1997, there were 474 PJ's killed in the line of duty, including 7 in the US. The job of a PJ, to get right into the action, and record that so as to provide for an informed electorate, is a hard job, to say the least.

            No one in a position of Authority wants to be portrayed in a bad light. That's the whole idea behind embedding reporters with a specific unit. With this type of action, you build sympathy for the soldiers while at the same time you control what types of access the reporter has. I don't do very much in the way of PJ work, but I have been confronted by Denver police for "being in a dangerous area". And at least once I was told they would break my camera. After that, I feel no real desire to stand out from the crowd as a potential reporter. The police aren't necessarily going to target you as an enemy, but they are well aware that many in news agencies have different agendas than they do. That coupled with the possibility of recording an accidental incident usually makes your presence less than welcome. Hang your creds around your neck, get good shots, and don't stand in the front lines. And don't attract official attention more than necessary.

            www.cpj.org/attacks97/killedchart.html
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              Re: Advice for violent crowds

              Sun, March 2, 2008 - 9:14 AM
              Man, you people are too much. This is about a pillow fight!! This isn't war!! It's a stinkin' pillow fight!! Geez!!
              • Re: Advice for violent crowds

                Sun, March 2, 2008 - 12:13 PM
                funny. I wouldn't describe a pillow fight as a"violent crowd". The last time I was in a violent crowd they were actually throwing rocks and bottles at the cops. and the cops were armed with riot shields and clubs, and were using both. Next time, you might actually describe something as what it is. Pillows? You described a pillow fight as "violent"? Sheesh. If you ask for advice, we are going top try to answer that in the best way we can. So be more specific next time.
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    Re: Advice for violent crowds

    Fri, March 7, 2008 - 5:44 AM
    Dust-Off ,when you turn the can upside down, will emit its contents. Make sure you aim for their eyes. it causes a freezing effect.
  • Re: Advice for violent crowds

    Wed, May 7, 2008 - 4:04 PM
    Yeah, if you put yourself in harms way, you gotta expect your equipment to get thrashed.
    Either have insurance or use a cheapo camera.
    • Re: Advice for violent crowds

      Wed, June 25, 2008 - 9:56 AM
      Since I now feel such shame in the face of Scott's onslaught over my meek pillows, while he is out there dueling with cops and who knows what else, I'm motivated to up the ante on my side ... ;-)

      DreamCatcher, you mention insurance. Any recommendations?

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